LTOR said: As for the youth, I'm not really qualified to say how many are reading the OP regularly.
Neither am I qualified to say how many sub 20 year olds read the Ojai Post but I did take an informal poll a few weeks ago. I asked around 20 sub 20s and only one had even heard of the Ojai Post. None had ever read it. My position is this: I think your ability to refine and alter the tone of Millenium's discourse will greatly improve when your motivation for doing so is based in a more substantial reality instead of a low potential one. Your critique of MT is valid and will become more balanced and more powerful and less urgent when you have the aplomb to speak only for your self without having to use the elusive youth as your rallying point.
Anyway, your proven abilty to apportion, introspect and peruse will have a far greater impact than trying to make a stubborn horse drink the water. He needs to see how clear and refreshed others become after drinking from the cool stream of demureness. BTW, it may be a good time to acknowledge that MT has become much more affable in the last month or so.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 26, 2007 01:50 AM
Wednesday, September 26, 2007
Tuesday, September 25, 2007
Simply complex
I agree that one does not resist arrest. It does show a lack of good sense but at the same time there are exceptions to every rule. This is not the issue I had with the previous statement. My issue was the: 'either mentally ill or drunk or on drugs' claim. This is an oversimplification which frames the incident in a way which 'obfusgates' the facts. You see, it is obvious that the student was not drunk or mentally ill. He was passionate and articulate and he takes issue with how our ability as a nation to vote for our president has been taken away. We no longer have a democracy. This is the heart of the issue. It is quite understandable in my eyes why someone would be so enthusiastic. It is called righteous exasperation.
Phalarope: Excellent addition to this thread.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 21, 2007 10:30 AM
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The way I see it, this particular nation's number one industry is the military/weaponry complex. The number two industry is the prison/justice system. Thus, getting arrested only feeds the borg. When the criminal justice system becomes intrinsic to the health of a nation's economy then it becomes necessary to create a criminal class. In the not too distant future, the state will be taking your organs for a speeding violation.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 21, 2007 04:35 PM
Phalarope: Excellent addition to this thread.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 21, 2007 10:30 AM
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The way I see it, this particular nation's number one industry is the military/weaponry complex. The number two industry is the prison/justice system. Thus, getting arrested only feeds the borg. When the criminal justice system becomes intrinsic to the health of a nation's economy then it becomes necessary to create a criminal class. In the not too distant future, the state will be taking your organs for a speeding violation.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 21, 2007 04:35 PM
The art of diplomacy
LTOR, thank you for your carefully considered response. Clearly, you've given MT a great deal of thought. I certainly cannot argue that MT has not been very diplomatic, has been dismissive and has also been ferociously unfair to Evan (in the past). I can see why you feel compelled to dig in to him. The reason I consider MT a soldier for peace is he sets himself apart when he backs up at least some of his rhetoric with his lifestyle choices. His having a garden that he lives off as well as leading a car free existence seals the deal for me. Thus, I may be guilty of glossing over his rough spots. Clearly, MT needs to study the art of diplomacy to get to the next level. LTOR, you are translucently giving me a lesson in artfulness with your respectful inflection. But, when you say that you speak out of concern for the youth, you lose me. How many under 20 year olds even know that the Ojai Post exists? And the ones that do, well, I supect they are more astute then you give them credit for.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 25, 2007 03:11 PM
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 25, 2007 03:11 PM
Sunday, September 16, 2007
Dennis Leary Rocks!
Dennis, Wow, thank you for sharing your story. Observing your growth as a writer and a human being has been inspiring. Even thru this binary world, I sense a sincerity that seems to disarm the attack dogs. It never ceases to amaze me when the herd like mentality rears its ugly head and machine guns the dissenters. It makes me think of ants, bees and emperor penguins.
Ants do not have any room for the rare indepenent minded ant. They destoy the aberration immediately. Bees are part of a hive. The hive mentality rules and any bee that does not work is killed. Among the ants and the bees there is no room for individual artistry. Emperor penguins also come to mind when I read many of these threads. Most folks want to be where it is safe. Where it is warm. The emperor penguin cannot exist alone. They take turns on being on the outside - exposed to the arctic elements. This is where the metaphor diverges. I think the vast majority of Americans do not want to be on the outside at all - especailly with their perspective on politics. The idea that their are folks who live outside the mundane, main stream, franchise, fast food, TV, God Bless America, uncle sam, apple pie world is deeply disturbing to them. Why is this so? I think on a deep level they cannot help but compare themselves to the true individual and this comparison makes them feel less than. It makes them feel like they have been wasting their lives, like they have never accessed their true creative potential. This, I suspect, is everyone's darkest fear: They have been holding themselves back and not even scraping the surface of what it means to be human.
I think you know what it is Dennis. Thank you.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 16, 2007 10:26 PM
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I like your writing spaz. Intellectual, contemplative, honest and deep -- at least to me. It's painful to me sometimes to read the posts when everyone jumps on something or starts attacking. I notice often when I comment or ask a question no one here notices because it's not part of the immediate argument but I want to go deeper and understand more. Your writing to me sort of sums it up, wraps it up. Thanks!
and, btw. Seems apropro that along with all these slams there are fewer and fewer actual names being used.
I stand as kate.
Posted by: kate | September 16, 2007 11:39 PM
Ants do not have any room for the rare indepenent minded ant. They destoy the aberration immediately. Bees are part of a hive. The hive mentality rules and any bee that does not work is killed. Among the ants and the bees there is no room for individual artistry. Emperor penguins also come to mind when I read many of these threads. Most folks want to be where it is safe. Where it is warm. The emperor penguin cannot exist alone. They take turns on being on the outside - exposed to the arctic elements. This is where the metaphor diverges. I think the vast majority of Americans do not want to be on the outside at all - especailly with their perspective on politics. The idea that their are folks who live outside the mundane, main stream, franchise, fast food, TV, God Bless America, uncle sam, apple pie world is deeply disturbing to them. Why is this so? I think on a deep level they cannot help but compare themselves to the true individual and this comparison makes them feel less than. It makes them feel like they have been wasting their lives, like they have never accessed their true creative potential. This, I suspect, is everyone's darkest fear: They have been holding themselves back and not even scraping the surface of what it means to be human.
I think you know what it is Dennis. Thank you.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 16, 2007 10:26 PM
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I like your writing spaz. Intellectual, contemplative, honest and deep -- at least to me. It's painful to me sometimes to read the posts when everyone jumps on something or starts attacking. I notice often when I comment or ask a question no one here notices because it's not part of the immediate argument but I want to go deeper and understand more. Your writing to me sort of sums it up, wraps it up. Thanks!
and, btw. Seems apropro that along with all these slams there are fewer and fewer actual names being used.
I stand as kate.
Posted by: kate | September 16, 2007 11:39 PM
Reply to sender
LTOR :One of the latest more bizarre claims out there, apparently, is a belief that the voices of the passengers on the planes were electronically “cloned” beforehand and used to leave messages for their families.
It has been my understanding (and experience) that cell phones do not work on planes. This might be a consequence of flying above a certain altitude. It certainly makes me curious. Oh, and this claim goes back to 2001, so I wouldn't call it 'the latest'.
LTOR: Some believe that Jews were told not to show up to work that morning, so there you have collusion with ordinary US Jewish citizens, which (like Jock’s claims) I find really offensive. I have personally seen people with already existing anti-semetic and neo-nazi’s tendencies gleefully glom onto this.
I am now understanding your strong stance and ardent quest to figure out why folks have different opinions on this controversial subject. All I can do is speak for myself and share my own personal opinion. First off, I don't see the anti-semetic sentiment dominating nine eleven discussions - that may be because I am not looking for them. I suspect you are older than I and have imprinted different biases and tendencies with regard to this particular issue. Frankly, it is a complete nonissue with me even though I do have a Jewish heritage through blood.
A manmade disaster of this magnitude - only 3 months after an obviously rigged election with so many inconsistentcies in the 'official' 911 story has of course attracted a great deal of scrutiny from the public. It is no surprise that it attracts fringers and conspiracy theorists like moths to a light bulb. Our country has a dark history of assassination, subterfuge and self sabatage. Of course, it is not the only country that lies to its citizens.
I may be wrong but it seems as though your lumping together the folks who dissent from the 'official' sanatized main stream story, in to 2 groups, suggests to me that you are subject to the type of narrowminded and pre judgemental thought that you appear to be accusing Jock and Millenium of. I suspect you have a great deal of angst about what happened and Jock is a lightening rod for you to release this pent up energy.
In the end, I do not believe Jock or Millenium have the influence that you seem to be over reacting to. I believe this is all worthy of discussion but I do appreciate one's ability to observe and be honest with their own particular reality screens.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 14, 2007 10:47 AM
It has been my understanding (and experience) that cell phones do not work on planes. This might be a consequence of flying above a certain altitude. It certainly makes me curious. Oh, and this claim goes back to 2001, so I wouldn't call it 'the latest'.
LTOR: Some believe that Jews were told not to show up to work that morning, so there you have collusion with ordinary US Jewish citizens, which (like Jock’s claims) I find really offensive. I have personally seen people with already existing anti-semetic and neo-nazi’s tendencies gleefully glom onto this.
I am now understanding your strong stance and ardent quest to figure out why folks have different opinions on this controversial subject. All I can do is speak for myself and share my own personal opinion. First off, I don't see the anti-semetic sentiment dominating nine eleven discussions - that may be because I am not looking for them. I suspect you are older than I and have imprinted different biases and tendencies with regard to this particular issue. Frankly, it is a complete nonissue with me even though I do have a Jewish heritage through blood.
A manmade disaster of this magnitude - only 3 months after an obviously rigged election with so many inconsistentcies in the 'official' 911 story has of course attracted a great deal of scrutiny from the public. It is no surprise that it attracts fringers and conspiracy theorists like moths to a light bulb. Our country has a dark history of assassination, subterfuge and self sabatage. Of course, it is not the only country that lies to its citizens.
I may be wrong but it seems as though your lumping together the folks who dissent from the 'official' sanatized main stream story, in to 2 groups, suggests to me that you are subject to the type of narrowminded and pre judgemental thought that you appear to be accusing Jock and Millenium of. I suspect you have a great deal of angst about what happened and Jock is a lightening rod for you to release this pent up energy.
In the end, I do not believe Jock or Millenium have the influence that you seem to be over reacting to. I believe this is all worthy of discussion but I do appreciate one's ability to observe and be honest with their own particular reality screens.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 14, 2007 10:47 AM
Throwing pebbles
I would not attempt to characterize Jock at this time. Not enough data. As far as your use of the terms 'extreme lack of cohesiveness and agreement within' goes and then trying to use Jock as an example of it; well, it appears to me that you have a theory and are out to prove it as lazily as possible.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 14, 2007 01:21 AM
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 14, 2007 01:21 AM
Direct question
LTOR: Do you[Dennis] or Spaz Zapper believe an attack is being planned for tomorrow and, if so, is it also your conclusion that El Al's lack of flights into the US is proof of collusion and/or knowlege of such an event taking place?
Thank you for asking and not jumping to conclusions. In my opinion, I do not think there will be any 'attacks' tomorrow. Although, I do understand why some of us may be a bit skittish. I believe that attempts to shame, embarrass or shout them down only reflect back on the shamer. Is it so easy to forget that we have been and are lied to by representatives of our government?
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 13, 2007 09:04 PM
Thank you for asking and not jumping to conclusions. In my opinion, I do not think there will be any 'attacks' tomorrow. Although, I do understand why some of us may be a bit skittish. I believe that attempts to shame, embarrass or shout them down only reflect back on the shamer. Is it so easy to forget that we have been and are lied to by representatives of our government?
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 13, 2007 09:04 PM
Debunking the debunker
LTOR,
There is a huge body of information that proves beyond a shadow of doubt that 911 was a total inside job which could not have been pulled off without the highest authority.
Forgive me for being judgemental, but I do not believe you have done sufficient homework. You are a sincere gatekeeper. In your heart, you just cannot bring yourself to believe authorities could be this evil so you screen out the ultimate horror. We all do to some degree.
My experience and education teaches me that there are real evil men called sociopaths and pschopaths and they tend to cluster in power groups. Shakespeare knew this in his betrayal of Iago, Richard III, Edmund, the Macbeths and many others. Religions also recognized this but often succumbed to the very thing they railed against. The worst evil is often very banal abetted by dumbed down populations and naive, fearful gatekeepers.
It is hard to believe that the many groups in society you enumerate would not speak out. But bear this in mind: many do but you have to do your homework and find them because they are so marginalized and shut out of the public discourse. Then also look at these people as individuals; they are easily intimidated because they have bills to pay, families to take care of, secrets to hide, relatives and all kinds of other pressures, plus the incessant programming of our culture from the evil elites at the top.
Denial of hardcore truth is so deep and so pervasive as to be almost invisible. I have been wrong on many things but I don't believe I'm far off the mark in what I have just said. Time will tell because things are rapidly coming to a head. The boil is about to burst. Some say the evilists have lost control and others think they are engineering this whole thing. I don't know but either way many innocent people are going to suffer. These evilists have killed presidents for God's sake. Three thousand fellow citizens are nothing to them, nor are one million Iraqis. They have no conscience. They are not normal despite all their pretenses. David Icke painted them as lizards. To me they are just a very low level consciousness. That's a hard one to stomach but it is true in my opinion based on my understanding of the facts.
Posted by: Dennis Leary | September 13, 2007 04:53 PM
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Well said, Dennis. Anyone that dismisses a close examination of the truth with the now taboo word 'conspiracy', needs to learn its actual meaning: to breathe together. I have news for you: this planet began with a bacterial conspiracy. Life conspires all the time. Thus be not afraid to closely examine the facts while diversifying your sources of information as much as possible. Being informed goes against the herd mentaility which pervades this troubled country - supposedly the land of the free and the home of the brave - give me a break!
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 13, 2007 05:18 PM
There is a huge body of information that proves beyond a shadow of doubt that 911 was a total inside job which could not have been pulled off without the highest authority.
Forgive me for being judgemental, but I do not believe you have done sufficient homework. You are a sincere gatekeeper. In your heart, you just cannot bring yourself to believe authorities could be this evil so you screen out the ultimate horror. We all do to some degree.
My experience and education teaches me that there are real evil men called sociopaths and pschopaths and they tend to cluster in power groups. Shakespeare knew this in his betrayal of Iago, Richard III, Edmund, the Macbeths and many others. Religions also recognized this but often succumbed to the very thing they railed against. The worst evil is often very banal abetted by dumbed down populations and naive, fearful gatekeepers.
It is hard to believe that the many groups in society you enumerate would not speak out. But bear this in mind: many do but you have to do your homework and find them because they are so marginalized and shut out of the public discourse. Then also look at these people as individuals; they are easily intimidated because they have bills to pay, families to take care of, secrets to hide, relatives and all kinds of other pressures, plus the incessant programming of our culture from the evil elites at the top.
Denial of hardcore truth is so deep and so pervasive as to be almost invisible. I have been wrong on many things but I don't believe I'm far off the mark in what I have just said. Time will tell because things are rapidly coming to a head. The boil is about to burst. Some say the evilists have lost control and others think they are engineering this whole thing. I don't know but either way many innocent people are going to suffer. These evilists have killed presidents for God's sake. Three thousand fellow citizens are nothing to them, nor are one million Iraqis. They have no conscience. They are not normal despite all their pretenses. David Icke painted them as lizards. To me they are just a very low level consciousness. That's a hard one to stomach but it is true in my opinion based on my understanding of the facts.
Posted by: Dennis Leary | September 13, 2007 04:53 PM
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Well said, Dennis. Anyone that dismisses a close examination of the truth with the now taboo word 'conspiracy', needs to learn its actual meaning: to breathe together. I have news for you: this planet began with a bacterial conspiracy. Life conspires all the time. Thus be not afraid to closely examine the facts while diversifying your sources of information as much as possible. Being informed goes against the herd mentaility which pervades this troubled country - supposedly the land of the free and the home of the brave - give me a break!
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 13, 2007 05:18 PM
Thursday, September 6, 2007
Brian Has No Where To Hide
Let's talk about depleted uranium. What a clever way to get rid of nuclear waste, no? Just make ammo out of it and shoot it at people, planes, tanks, buildings, whatever.
Depleted Uranium
Have you factored the dispersal of this toxic substance into your defense of nuclear power, Brian?
Posted by: phalarope | September 6, 2007 11:12 PM
Depleted Uranium
Have you factored the dispersal of this toxic substance into your defense of nuclear power, Brian?
Posted by: phalarope | September 6, 2007 11:12 PM
Too Many Questions
The site you are referring to is where they mine uranuim out of the ground. They are not putting spent fuel rods there. The Moab area is where uranuim naturally occurs, there is actually less uranuim there now than there was before because we have been using it.
You have asked many questions.
I can tell you that as far as volume is concerned, spent uranium takes up a very small volume. If you are talking about wieght, uranium is very very heavy, heaver than lead.
Right now all of the spent fuel rods, what you call "waste" are kept on site because the anti-nuke people have tied up Yucca Mountain. 30 years of spent fuel rods have been kept on site, it's really not a problem though. If we could reprocess the spent fuel rods we would be able to get more energy out of them.
Most all of the spent fuel rods are kept on site.
Posted by: Brian | September 6, 2007 10:30 PM
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The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has told the Department of Energy that its proposal to leave 12 million tons of radioactive waste next to the Colorado River near Moab, Utah, is "environmentally unsatisfactory" and a potential prolonged risk to public health.
According to the first sentence of the previously linked article, the near vicinity of the Colorado River is currenly being used as a storage site for radioactive waste. This is a crime. What further evildance do we need that humans, at this time, are incapable of managing the complexities of this radiactive energy source?
Amount of radioactive material: 12 million tons.
Estimated cost of moving this man-made radioactive disaster: $400-500 million. [I say it will be 2 or 3 times that]
Brian, what happens if this river floods?
What will this disaster cost then?
What is the actual cost of Nuclear Power?
Who is in charge of the Department of Energy? Do they have vested interests in nuclear power?
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 6, 2007 11:10 PM
You have asked many questions.
I can tell you that as far as volume is concerned, spent uranium takes up a very small volume. If you are talking about wieght, uranium is very very heavy, heaver than lead.
Right now all of the spent fuel rods, what you call "waste" are kept on site because the anti-nuke people have tied up Yucca Mountain. 30 years of spent fuel rods have been kept on site, it's really not a problem though. If we could reprocess the spent fuel rods we would be able to get more energy out of them.
Most all of the spent fuel rods are kept on site.
Posted by: Brian | September 6, 2007 10:30 PM
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The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has told the Department of Energy that its proposal to leave 12 million tons of radioactive waste next to the Colorado River near Moab, Utah, is "environmentally unsatisfactory" and a potential prolonged risk to public health.
According to the first sentence of the previously linked article, the near vicinity of the Colorado River is currenly being used as a storage site for radioactive waste. This is a crime. What further evildance do we need that humans, at this time, are incapable of managing the complexities of this radiactive energy source?
Amount of radioactive material: 12 million tons.
Estimated cost of moving this man-made radioactive disaster: $400-500 million. [I say it will be 2 or 3 times that]
Brian, what happens if this river floods?
What will this disaster cost then?
What is the actual cost of Nuclear Power?
Who is in charge of the Department of Energy? Do they have vested interests in nuclear power?
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 6, 2007 11:10 PM
Brian Pleads His Case
CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION MARCH 2006
California depends on three nuclear power plants for a sizable share of the overall electricity supply in the state. These three plants alone generate 13 percent of California’s annual electricity supply, and the two in-state nuclear plants are the second and third largest power plants in the state. (Energy Commission 2004b) Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E) owns and operates the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant, a 2,160 MW two-unit plant licensed through 2021 (Unit 1) and 2025 (Unit 2). Southern California Edison (SCE) and San Diego Gas & Electric (SDG&E) co-own the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS), a 2,200 MW power plant with three units. SONGS Units 2 and 3 are licensed through 2022; Unit 1 was shut down in 1992. SCE, the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, and a consortium of Southern California municipal utilities have a combined 27 percent ownership interest in the 3,825 MW Palo Verde nuclear power plant. It is located outside of Phoenix and operated by Arizona Public Service Corporation. Palo Verde’s three units are licensed through 2024, 2025, and 2027.
Ok you got me on that one, you only use 3.12 hours of nuclear power every day, since 13 percent of a 24 hour day comes out to be 3.12 hours, I was rounding up.
This is from the Nuclear Energy Institute, If you go to the link below there is a very in depth report on Diablo Canyon, which is a pdf file.
In addition to the economic benefits provided by Diablo Canyon, the plant generated 16 billion kilo watt hours(kWh) of electricity in 2002, approximately 10 percent of California’s electricity needs. This low cost electricity helped keep energy prices in California down. During 1999-2001, Diablo Canyon had a production cost of 1.57 cents/kWh compared to an average production cost of 3.61 cents/kWh for the rest of the California market. Diablo Canyon did all of this without producing air pollution typical of some other power generation sources.
http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/documentlibrary/reliableandaffordableenergy/economicbenefitsstudies/diablocanyon/
I’m surprised that you would ask if solar is heavily subsidized, one of Michael's current post is asking everybody to support a subsidy, but here is some infor for California anyway.
http://www.californiasolarcenter.org/incentives.html
I didn’t mean to insult you but, with so much information available on the internet there should be no excuse for not knowing some of this information.
Posted by: Brian | September 6, 2007 08:08 PM
California depends on three nuclear power plants for a sizable share of the overall electricity supply in the state. These three plants alone generate 13 percent of California’s annual electricity supply, and the two in-state nuclear plants are the second and third largest power plants in the state. (Energy Commission 2004b) Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E) owns and operates the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant, a 2,160 MW two-unit plant licensed through 2021 (Unit 1) and 2025 (Unit 2). Southern California Edison (SCE) and San Diego Gas & Electric (SDG&E) co-own the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS), a 2,200 MW power plant with three units. SONGS Units 2 and 3 are licensed through 2022; Unit 1 was shut down in 1992. SCE, the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, and a consortium of Southern California municipal utilities have a combined 27 percent ownership interest in the 3,825 MW Palo Verde nuclear power plant. It is located outside of Phoenix and operated by Arizona Public Service Corporation. Palo Verde’s three units are licensed through 2024, 2025, and 2027.
Ok you got me on that one, you only use 3.12 hours of nuclear power every day, since 13 percent of a 24 hour day comes out to be 3.12 hours, I was rounding up.
This is from the Nuclear Energy Institute, If you go to the link below there is a very in depth report on Diablo Canyon, which is a pdf file.
In addition to the economic benefits provided by Diablo Canyon, the plant generated 16 billion kilo watt hours(kWh) of electricity in 2002, approximately 10 percent of California’s electricity needs. This low cost electricity helped keep energy prices in California down. During 1999-2001, Diablo Canyon had a production cost of 1.57 cents/kWh compared to an average production cost of 3.61 cents/kWh for the rest of the California market. Diablo Canyon did all of this without producing air pollution typical of some other power generation sources.
http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/documentlibrary/reliableandaffordableenergy/economicbenefitsstudies/diablocanyon/
I’m surprised that you would ask if solar is heavily subsidized, one of Michael's current post is asking everybody to support a subsidy, but here is some infor for California anyway.
http://www.californiasolarcenter.org/incentives.html
I didn’t mean to insult you but, with so much information available on the internet there should be no excuse for not knowing some of this information.
Posted by: Brian | September 6, 2007 08:08 PM
Resonse to Brian's Nuclear Shell Game
Who insures nuclear power plants?
How many pounds of nuclear waste does Diablo Canyon produce per day?
What is the cost of nuclear waste management per kWh?
Does the cost of nuclear waste management go up every year as the amount of nuclear waste accumulates?
EPA fights Moab Nuclear Waste Dump Near [Colorado] River:
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has told the Department of Energy that its proposal to leave 12 million tons of radioactive waste next to the Colorado River near Moab, Utah, is "environmentally unsatisfactory" and a potential prolonged risk to public health."
--Anyone suggesting the Colorado River as a place to dump nuclear waste should be put in jail. And these are the folks regulating nuclear waste. It should be obvious there is simply too much incompetence to allow something as dangerous and volatile as nuclear power to exist on this planet.
The near vicinity of the Colorado River has been used before as a dumping ground for nuclear waste. This is the caption from a photo that was part of the article which I have linked above: "RADIOACTIVE WASTE: Layers of uranium tailings from an abandoned mine have sat for years near the Colorado River in Utah."
How many people use the Colorado River as their drinking water? 30 million is my guess.
What is the actual cost of nuclear power generation? (including waste management, environmental cost, etc)
How many radioactive waste dumps are there in America?
How many radiactive waste dumps are within the vicinities of drinking water?
What does it cost per year to cleanup poorly designed (leaking) waste dumps in America?
Brian, it appears to me that you are hiding the actual cost of nuclear power.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 6, 2007 09:48 PM
How many pounds of nuclear waste does Diablo Canyon produce per day?
What is the cost of nuclear waste management per kWh?
Does the cost of nuclear waste management go up every year as the amount of nuclear waste accumulates?
EPA fights Moab Nuclear Waste Dump Near [Colorado] River:
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has told the Department of Energy that its proposal to leave 12 million tons of radioactive waste next to the Colorado River near Moab, Utah, is "environmentally unsatisfactory" and a potential prolonged risk to public health."
--Anyone suggesting the Colorado River as a place to dump nuclear waste should be put in jail. And these are the folks regulating nuclear waste. It should be obvious there is simply too much incompetence to allow something as dangerous and volatile as nuclear power to exist on this planet.
The near vicinity of the Colorado River has been used before as a dumping ground for nuclear waste. This is the caption from a photo that was part of the article which I have linked above: "RADIOACTIVE WASTE: Layers of uranium tailings from an abandoned mine have sat for years near the Colorado River in Utah."
How many people use the Colorado River as their drinking water? 30 million is my guess.
What is the actual cost of nuclear power generation? (including waste management, environmental cost, etc)
How many radioactive waste dumps are there in America?
How many radiactive waste dumps are within the vicinities of drinking water?
What does it cost per year to cleanup poorly designed (leaking) waste dumps in America?
Brian, it appears to me that you are hiding the actual cost of nuclear power.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 6, 2007 09:48 PM
Phalarope Bonds With Spaz Zapper
I wish we had something more fun to talk about, Spaz Zapper, but I'm sure that Tyler welcomes debate as long as it doesn't get crude. Thank you for being intelligent, and for being a good observer.
I do not agree with the majority on every single issue here, but there are an awful of intelligent and insightful folks at ojaipost.com, and it's a cool place to be. Kind of quiet right now, though.
I've been more active lately than I actually need to be, and wish that some of the people I used to enjoy reading would come back.
I need to head out, but will probably be back much later tonight.
Glad you liked the Eschaton link. I can't say that I agree with everything that goes on there, either, but it certainly is left-of-center blogging at its freewheeling and unfettered best. They link to a lot of other good blogs, too. Hope you like cats:)
Here's another link you might like; it's a good resource for energy related news:
http://www.energybulletin.net
Posted by: phalarope | September 6, 2007 03:02 PM
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Phalarope
Thanks for the kind words. I'll be checking out those links. I am sure an interesting topic of discussion will present itself sooner rather than later.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 6, 2007 05:05 PM
I do not agree with the majority on every single issue here, but there are an awful of intelligent and insightful folks at ojaipost.com, and it's a cool place to be. Kind of quiet right now, though.
I've been more active lately than I actually need to be, and wish that some of the people I used to enjoy reading would come back.
I need to head out, but will probably be back much later tonight.
Glad you liked the Eschaton link. I can't say that I agree with everything that goes on there, either, but it certainly is left-of-center blogging at its freewheeling and unfettered best. They link to a lot of other good blogs, too. Hope you like cats:)
Here's another link you might like; it's a good resource for energy related news:
http://www.energybulletin.net
Posted by: phalarope | September 6, 2007 03:02 PM
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Phalarope
Thanks for the kind words. I'll be checking out those links. I am sure an interesting topic of discussion will present itself sooner rather than later.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 6, 2007 05:05 PM
Anonymous Commenter Chimes In
Again, I have re-read this thread. I found no references to Brian using the term fanatic. Perhaps somewhere else in another post? Either way, it doesn't make it right.
Anonymous,
It may not be obvious to you but this conversation began months ago. Brian has used the term fanatic repeatedly to dismiss any one who questioned the accuracy of his nuclear claims. This is one of his many ways of discounting and offhandedly dismissing opposing viewpoints. During this particular thread, it occured to me that Brian has been projecting his own clearly demonstrated fanaticism on all who would dare question his self delusional authority. This is my observation after several months of reading his lectures. He has a long history of vitrolic wordspeak and is now eating his just desserts.
Brian has continually cited sources of information that have zero validity. He has dodged this particular criticism by ignoring it. You have entered a long standing discourse and have drawn convenient conclusions which clearly suit your bias. I don't need to know you to draw this conclusion, you see, your words speak for themselves and thus, your ascertations about being open do not hold any water with me.
During the course of our conversation, Phalarope has demonstrated a biting wit and other worldly wisdom. At this point he has seen enough to offer some insight into Brian's inability to broaden his perspective.
You are new to this particular game, or so it seems. It appears as though you have jumped the gun, a false start so to speak. Perhaps, your thinking is not lazy; it may be that you are a tad overeager to aid the apparent underdog.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 6, 2007 02:29 PM
Anonymous,
It may not be obvious to you but this conversation began months ago. Brian has used the term fanatic repeatedly to dismiss any one who questioned the accuracy of his nuclear claims. This is one of his many ways of discounting and offhandedly dismissing opposing viewpoints. During this particular thread, it occured to me that Brian has been projecting his own clearly demonstrated fanaticism on all who would dare question his self delusional authority. This is my observation after several months of reading his lectures. He has a long history of vitrolic wordspeak and is now eating his just desserts.
Brian has continually cited sources of information that have zero validity. He has dodged this particular criticism by ignoring it. You have entered a long standing discourse and have drawn convenient conclusions which clearly suit your bias. I don't need to know you to draw this conclusion, you see, your words speak for themselves and thus, your ascertations about being open do not hold any water with me.
During the course of our conversation, Phalarope has demonstrated a biting wit and other worldly wisdom. At this point he has seen enough to offer some insight into Brian's inability to broaden his perspective.
You are new to this particular game, or so it seems. It appears as though you have jumped the gun, a false start so to speak. Perhaps, your thinking is not lazy; it may be that you are a tad overeager to aid the apparent underdog.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 6, 2007 02:29 PM
Phalarope Zaps Brian!
At Eschaton, Brian would be recognized for what he is; a troll. Brian is not here to debate in a reasonable fashion. Brian is not here to thoughtfully present an opposing viewpoint. Brian is not here to be an earnest and intelligent conservative spokesperson. Brian likes to present opinion as gospel, and if Brian's life depended on having to base his comments on proven scientific fact, Brian wouldn't be able to comment here, or anywhere else, ever again.
This is a moderated blog, Brian, so we will probably never be able to tell you what's really, really on our minds, or at least I won't. You know that. Nonetheless, you think that you're a real soldier for the Good Cause because you dare to come here and poke at the liberals.
Well, BFD, Brian; I'm not impressed.
Head off to Eschaton at http://atrios.blogspot.com and try your schtick there. (The only way you can get banned from Eschaton is to make a terrorist threat, or to namesteal while Atrios or Echidne or Thers is online.) See what your routine nets you at that location. See how long you last. See how long you can stand the heat when you're someplace where it really gets hot.
Do you really want to be an intelligent conservative, Brian? Do you really want to learn how to debate with liberals? Do you actually want to win a few rounds, fair and square without straw men and ad hominem attacks and spin and disingenousness? Read a little William F. Buckley Jr. Stay away until you have. As it stands, you're just embarrassing yourself, and if Buckley were here you'd be embarrassing him, too.
Posted by: phalarope | September 5, 2007 05:59 PM
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Brian, I do believe you have been zapped!
Brilliant analysis on Brian's fanatical diiatribes.
Thanks for the atrios link.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 5, 2007 10:05 PM
This is a moderated blog, Brian, so we will probably never be able to tell you what's really, really on our minds, or at least I won't. You know that. Nonetheless, you think that you're a real soldier for the Good Cause because you dare to come here and poke at the liberals.
Well, BFD, Brian; I'm not impressed.
Head off to Eschaton at http://atrios.blogspot.com and try your schtick there. (The only way you can get banned from Eschaton is to make a terrorist threat, or to namesteal while Atrios or Echidne or Thers is online.) See what your routine nets you at that location. See how long you last. See how long you can stand the heat when you're someplace where it really gets hot.
Do you really want to be an intelligent conservative, Brian? Do you really want to learn how to debate with liberals? Do you actually want to win a few rounds, fair and square without straw men and ad hominem attacks and spin and disingenousness? Read a little William F. Buckley Jr. Stay away until you have. As it stands, you're just embarrassing yourself, and if Buckley were here you'd be embarrassing him, too.
Posted by: phalarope | September 5, 2007 05:59 PM
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Brian, I do believe you have been zapped!
Brilliant analysis on Brian's fanatical diiatribes.
Thanks for the atrios link.
Posted by: Spaz Zapper | September 5, 2007 10:05 PM
Spaz Zaps Brian
It is people like you who are forcing our country to burn coal.
Brian, you've repeated this line over and over. Speaking only for myself, it makes it seem as though you are a simpleton. There is no truth in this statement. We call this type of spin a red herring. You do yourself and your cause a great disservice every time you slip into this ridiculous line of irrational thought. Who'd you steal it from?
"Brian's nuclear fanaticism leads him to make many erroneous and inflamatory statements." Spaz Zapper
Brian, you've repeated this line over and over. Speaking only for myself, it makes it seem as though you are a simpleton. There is no truth in this statement. We call this type of spin a red herring. You do yourself and your cause a great disservice every time you slip into this ridiculous line of irrational thought. Who'd you steal it from?
"Brian's nuclear fanaticism leads him to make many erroneous and inflamatory statements." Spaz Zapper
Your Welcome
Thanks, Spaz Zapper.
Carry on the good fight, or sleep well. I need to pick the latter.
'Night, all.
Posted by: phalarope | September 5, 2007 12:23 AM
Carry on the good fight, or sleep well. I need to pick the latter.
'Night, all.
Posted by: phalarope | September 5, 2007 12:23 AM
When Nuclear Energy Grows Up
The Hanford reactor was built during WWII to make material to make the atomic bombs that we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagaski, and ended the war agaisnt Japan. That was when Nuclear energy was in it's infancy.[Brian]
What will 'nuclear energy' destroy when it is all grown up?
What will 'nuclear energy' destroy when it is all grown up?
Spaz Zapper strikes back!
Spaz Zapper, What is your real name? why hide behind an alias? It's easy to thow out accusations when you don't have to back them up
You say 'accusation' I say observation. Here's another observation. Brian has been zapped by Spaz Zapper.
Brian, do you consider yourself a nuclear fanatic?
1. Fanatic: marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea; "rabid isolationist"
"Brian continues to display fanatical allegiance to nuclear power despite the overwhelming evidence pointing to its devastaing effect on the environment." Spaz Zapper
"Brian's nuclear power fanaticism blinds him to the enormous downside of this extrememly shortsighted energy source." Spaz Zapper
"Phalarope contiues to think circles around Brian and Ed. It's like George Carlin vs. the 2 Stooges. I am greatly entertained. Phalarope: thanks for sharing your wit and wisdom." Spaz Zapper
"As Brian flounders around in the digital ocean, he panics and makes reactionary knee jerk comments to draw others into his own internal battle. The concept of nuclear power is his life preserver - without it he may sink or he may learn to swim. Brian you are a better swimmer than you've been led to believe." Spaz Zapper
You say 'accusation' I say observation. Here's another observation. Brian has been zapped by Spaz Zapper.
Brian, do you consider yourself a nuclear fanatic?
1. Fanatic: marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea; "rabid isolationist"
"Brian continues to display fanatical allegiance to nuclear power despite the overwhelming evidence pointing to its devastaing effect on the environment." Spaz Zapper
"Brian's nuclear power fanaticism blinds him to the enormous downside of this extrememly shortsighted energy source." Spaz Zapper
"Phalarope contiues to think circles around Brian and Ed. It's like George Carlin vs. the 2 Stooges. I am greatly entertained. Phalarope: thanks for sharing your wit and wisdom." Spaz Zapper
"As Brian flounders around in the digital ocean, he panics and makes reactionary knee jerk comments to draw others into his own internal battle. The concept of nuclear power is his life preserver - without it he may sink or he may learn to swim. Brian you are a better swimmer than you've been led to believe." Spaz Zapper
Brian is a spin doctor
Three mile island was a success story. No one was hurt, killed or even exposed to a siginficant amount of radiation. There was a loss of coolant. This could not happen in our current plants.
In the United States the average person is exposed to about 250 millirems of radiation per year. About 130 of the 250 millirems we absord yearly comes from cosmic rays, the earth and stone building materials. If you live in a stone or brick building you receive around 30 millirems per year from the small quantity of radioactive substances in the minerals in the stone. The total dose of radiation received by the average person from nature is aabout 155 millirems. An additional 95 millirems is from man made sources like X rays and color TV sets. The people near by Three Mile Island were exposed to about 1.4 millirems.
Posted by: Brian | September 4, 2007 10:32 PM
In the United States the average person is exposed to about 250 millirems of radiation per year. About 130 of the 250 millirems we absord yearly comes from cosmic rays, the earth and stone building materials. If you live in a stone or brick building you receive around 30 millirems per year from the small quantity of radioactive substances in the minerals in the stone. The total dose of radiation received by the average person from nature is aabout 155 millirems. An additional 95 millirems is from man made sources like X rays and color TV sets. The people near by Three Mile Island were exposed to about 1.4 millirems.
Posted by: Brian | September 4, 2007 10:32 PM
Evan Defends Spaz Zapper!
don't try misdirection here, Brian. the alias hardly matters (and we've been round and round that topic on other threads, with no headway).
i dont think that your logic (that a viable option would guarantee construction and investors by the flock) holds up at all. it's a nice theory and philosophy, but we're dealing with human beings here...the most frightened and irrational beings on the planet. for example, War is completely and obviously self-destructive, non-sustainable, and obsolete, AND we have in our possession plenty of non-lethal ways to resolve conflicts. does that mean we stop and move in the clearly favorable direction for our survival? HELL NO! we just keep on keepin' on...doing what we know...our own future be damned.
Posted by: evan | September 4, 2007 12:05 PM
i dont think that your logic (that a viable option would guarantee construction and investors by the flock) holds up at all. it's a nice theory and philosophy, but we're dealing with human beings here...the most frightened and irrational beings on the planet. for example, War is completely and obviously self-destructive, non-sustainable, and obsolete, AND we have in our possession plenty of non-lethal ways to resolve conflicts. does that mean we stop and move in the clearly favorable direction for our survival? HELL NO! we just keep on keepin' on...doing what we know...our own future be damned.
Posted by: evan | September 4, 2007 12:05 PM
Brian attacks Spaz Zapper!
Spaz Zapper, What is your real name? why hide behind an alias? It's easy to thow out accusations when you don't have to back them up. If the solar tower cartoon was really a viable option then the free market place would allow construction and investors would be flocking to get on board. What investor is going to sink money into a monument of stupidity and destruction of a eco-system? Your are welcome to dispute any facts that I have sighted, or do you not deal in facts?
Posted by: Brian | September 4, 2007 07:03 AM
Posted by: Brian | September 4, 2007 07:03 AM
Solar Tower Power
Solar Tower Power
I wonder how many of these babies we could have built with the money that has been spent on idiotic dead ends - like war and nuclear power?
I wonder how many of these babies we could have built with the money that has been spent on idiotic dead ends - like war and nuclear power?
I care
I care because it seems obvious to me that the intelligent course of action for a nation with energy issues is to invest in the various abundant and clean energy sources available now. Energy sources without hidden costs. The amount of money used to prop up petroleum and nuclear power can easily be channelled into streamlining solar power, wind power, tidal power etc. Thank goodness that the solar revolution is happening at all but it and others have the potential to become widespread realities at a much faster rate. Imagine a world with solar panels all around the world. Energy grids have the potential to make war obsolete. Money diverted from the warhoggers can be used to develop and implement a vast myriad of energy sources. New battery technologies alone can change the world as we know it. (one example of new battery technology) There are countless others. The energy revolution is a grassroots phenomenon. I suspenct the more decentalized it is the better off we all will be.
Passed you by
The future has passed you by and the present does not exist. You live in a museum hurling strings of words with no meaning against the wall. Current reality is invisible to you. You can only see what you believe because you think you know it all. Surrender to that which you do not know. Take a chance. Open up. Trust that you will survive. Do you expect anyone to believe that you are an authority on Solar Power? On all alternative energy sources? On ways of generating energy that don't even exist yet? Your strutting around amuses and entertains, please continue.
Wednesday, September 5, 2007
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